In biology is where I started my work with computers because then we had the mainframe back then. And so we went from typing everything and I was probably one of the first in the department to try to start putting things on the computers and you know to retype them because back then we had, there was no copiers. Like when I was in entomology there was two copy centers on campus that you could walk over and make copies if you needed to make copies. There was no departmental copiers. And so if you're wanting to get a copy of something, you use carbon paper. And all the forms like for ordering stuff, they were triplicate with carbon paper in between. That was before anything online. When I started in biology, we were typing like exams, tests  we sort of had like a typing pool. I can't remember. At one time we were assigned like maybe ten or so people. Biology is such a big department, it had like 50 faculty. Well we said you got trained there, you got trained for about anything. Back then, we had a mimeograph and a ditto machine. And I think we may have had a copier there because it was a bigger department. But mainly everything got run off on the mimeograph which is the black ink, and you had to type through this like plastic like sheet, and they had correction paper. But the stuff you used on the other for the mimeograph, it sort of had a petroleum smell. But one time somebody overfilled the mimeograph and it was going all over the ceiling. [laughs]