When I was in, I guess, Center for the Study of Science and Society, or the Interdisciplinary Studies, when I took on computers. I went to Roanoke and took some courses on how to fix a PC, how to fix a Mac. When I was in the dean's office, I went to UVA for a week and took a course on Macintosh, like the OS Leopard I think is what it was back then or something like that. So, that was interesting. But all along I've attended the user group meetings, the sys admin meetings. I mean, a lot of times they're way over my head. But I was never a programmer, but I learned as I went a lot of things hands on. But I always had a, I guess a way with computers to where I was able to figure things out. And I took all the Office courses, the university development, the things they offered through New River, stuff like that. And got my certificates in Office and things like that. Adobe like Photoshop and Illustrator. I learned to give that, doing some of the publications, fixing pictures for the web, and I took the branding courses and then went to DCSS. I've gone to that ever since it started. I did a year which was a professional university fellow, Dick Harshberger, and he was still with it that year when I did it. Like the university brand, any Banner training, fixed assets, because I did HokieMart orders, I was a receiver for HokieMart. It's hard to keep up with it. It's all the time changing. I mean, I went from DOS, to  what was it after that, it was Windows and then we had different kinds of iterations of Windows. I never really learned NT that much. I did have to learn to use one when I first came to the dean's office, that it wasn't long that we went to Windows. But, you know, for a girl who only had a high school education, I think I did pretty good.