I think a real key thing for us from a management perspective was when the VPIT  position got created, that reported directly to the president. I mean, I think it was, you know, years before any other school, you know, did that.  You know, but the big infrastructure thing I think is something that, you know, really helped -  You know, the single system image type stuff. You look at this strategy, one place to collect everything nowadays, you got cog computing,  single sign-on the whole nine yards. This is something that Bob Heterick had written an article about in the late '70s and early '80s. You know, Heterick came from architecture, you know, I think he was the department head of architecture, if I remember right. He had a guy that worked for him in the College of Architecture, a guy by the name of John Gerth, who now, I think he just recently retired as the head of the graphics lab at Stanford. But he came here and then he left here to go work for IBM. Then from IBM, he went out to Stanford. But I think some of the advantage we had was those people came from outside of, they didn't grow up in an IT culture. Gorsline came from agronomy, Heterick came from architecture. Mike Williams came from the math department. Scott Midkiff came from ECE. I think that did a lot to spread out the thing rather than you grew up in central IT. And all you know is central IT and this is the way we do it. I've seen that in a lot of other institutions, but I think that was the big thing for us.