And then in 1975, shortly after I decided that it was going to drop out for a while, that's when I got a job here at Tech in the, well then it was called the Computing Center. And it was located in the back of Burruss now where building construction guys are on the first floor of Burruss, that's where the computing center was located when I started over there.  But before that I had gotten a job as a programmer. I took a Fortran class when I was a sophomore in engineering, and that's what kind of got me into the computer side of the house. I got good enough in it that I was able to get a job at the Water Resources Research Center in civil engineering in Holden Hall as a programmer, doing some coding for them. So I was doing that, plus working at Squires at the time. And then 75's when I interviewed and got a job at a full time job at the computing center. The computing center at that time was really, there were three entities, if I remember right. One was the systems people. These were the systems programmers that ran the main frames and, and, you know, all of the machinery there. And they also included the operation staff. There was, you know, 24 by 7 three shifts of 8 hours and that type of stuff. Those are the operators. The systems programmers did all of, nowadays we'd call them system administrators. They did all the updates, did all the code installs and things like that. There was a systems development group and these were the people that were writing the in house programs, the database programs, and things like that. Christine Morrison was there. Vinod Chachra was there, Erv Blythe was there. They all started off as developers in systems development. And then there was a small group called the Hardware and Network Department. The acronym for that was HAND. And that's where I landed on my first job. Jerry Lynn was he was the department head for the HAND group. There were three of us at the time. Was myself, a guy named Ron Jonas, and Jerry. The main frames at that time was all card deck stuff, but they had just bought these remote job entry stations where could you could run your card deck from a reader that wasn't in the machine room. In that time frame, you had to take your card deck to the back window, hand it to an operator, the operator would read it for you. These remote job entry readers and printers, there was one in McBryde there was one in Whittemore, and there was one in Hutcheson. These things were connected by a network cable and you could walk up to the card reader and run your jobs yourself, and then you had to wait a day for your print out. But that was that. So my job at that time was to finish the code for handling those communications between the remote job entries and mainframes.