You know, sometimes it's, it's a specific thing. My father used to tell me that, you know, he said, look, you know, your careers in life are like the river. They're going to go all over the place, but eventually they're going to hit the sea, you know? And that's what he just said. So as long as you know you know how to get there, some people want to get there faster, some people want, you know, ride the currents. And I think looking back at where we are in IT, it's the same way. Vinod could have just as easily not come up with that program or we could have said, no, we don't want to be into that or somebody else could have done this. But it took a few people to me, Bob Heterick, who was the single sign on, you know, that type of vision of where we should be with computing. You know the buzzword now for zero trust networks, right? Well, Carl Harris and Phil Benchoff and Clark Gaylord in that era, Valdis and Ron and myself, and, you know, we said, well the networks, we have to be open. Bad guys can be in the network just as easy as good guys. So we just assume the network's hostile, We try to find the bad guys. And those are the basic principles of zero trust. But we didn't know it at the time. We just, we were at that cusp of the technological shift from mainframes to these things. You know, where I think we are approaching now is on the sociological side, How is this technology going to impact us?