People say, why did I stay here as long as I have? Well, my first goal was I wanted to finish my degrees. And so I went part time to the tuition waiver program that we have here, you know, so.  I say senior year is the best three years of my life. But when I finished, it's time to maybe look for a job someplace else. And then, well, we got this project where you want to work with these mini-computers, and these E80 processors, and that said you're interested in? Yeah, sure. Why not? Then it seemed like every five years, something like that would come up with a brand new technology. And I knew from talking to my friends that they're working for corporations in corporate and they had no idea what we were talking about. And it's kind of exciting that we could do this type of stuff ahead of everybody else. This whole concept of working to help instrument experiments. Yeah, maybe one or two people had done it. And ironically, we got most of our education on how to do that from two chemistry professors. They wrote a series of books called The Bug Books out there. Those were how to interface, to do the hardware, software interface stuff. But this whole concept of that, the whole concept of networking. We joined BITNET, which was early time there. We joined that in the 84, 85 time frame.  And the VAC systems and MULTICS systems and all that. In the '90s, the Blacksburg Electronic Village, wired up a whole damn town to the internet. And arguably, it's one of the first ones that happened. You know, in 2000 with the System 10, building the third fastest supercomputer with Macs. That type of stuff, the cybersecurity stuff, in 90, 91, 92, where we started that whole process.