You know, the internet was really important. You could never have enough capacity and everybody need to get access in some way. The rural broadband thing, and we called it the digital divide back then.  And it was digital divide, rural/urban, it was digital divide by wealth. But there was this digital divide. And part of the solution was technology, not everything. How do you make the technology such that it can be affordable, such that it can serve very sparsely populated areas? So it's a different problem than putting broadband into New York City. I think a lot of people, not everybody, but I think a lot of people, a lot of technologists knew,  and there's certainly some technologists that like, let's just make it faster just to make it faster. But I think there were a lot of technologists that knew that what we were doing at universities and connecting research labs was going to do a lot more and  there were a lot more opportunities.  Back to one of your other history interviews with Irv and the Blacksburg Electronic Village, you know I think he and some others had a lot of really insight and vision to say that, how do we take this stuff that we're doing at the university and put it out into the Town of Blacksburg as the Blacksburg Electronic Village. There were some technical challenges, but certainly a lot of legal challenges. And just getting businesses to appreciate that. Getting phone, phone companies to recognize that there's more here than just making phone calls, right?