I've lived in Northern Virginia  at two different times.  So in 1998, ECE was first starting up research activities up there. We had just hired our first untenured assistant professor who was going to be doing research, and that sort stuff. I got asked and agreed to go to spend the year 98-99 in Northern Virginia., That was kind of a good exposure you know, taught, did research, worked with Luis and others, had a chance to sort of see the DC scene and visit agencies more often and so forth. Probably one of the things that it did was get me to thinking a little bigger on research and actually coming back from that, and so that would have been like 99, began working, leading an effort to do what's called an IGERT, Integrated Graduate Education  and Research Training, which is an NSF program that provides funding for Ph.D. students to do interdisciplinary type programs kind of creating new things. We had Virginia Tech's first, IGERT, they're now called NRTs. Most of our students were out of computer science or electrical and computer engineering, but we had some in other areas outside of that. And it was, you know, ended up being like a $2.5 million grant, which was at that time a pretty big deal, still nothing to sneeze at. And, you know, it really sort of a very major kind of program, big impact and worked with a lot of people on that. And also then became part of a couple of other projects, not as the lead, but sort of leading part of the sort of the network, part of a project that the university had with the Office of Naval Research, and then working with some other ECE faculty primarily on  the National Science Foundation digital government project, which was ended up being, I don't know, $1.2, $1.4 million total.