You know, I think in research and the stuff that I've tried to do with industry and government agencies on grants and stuff like that, you know, I think, you know, they're saying that you know, don't stop because it's difficult, I mean, because there's been a lot of difficult things. [laughs] But, you know, you just have to keep working. You just have to keep pushing. And of course you don't have to do it by yourself either. I've been so fortunate to have, you know, John Burns and Gene Cliff and other people that I've been co-authors on, on grants with. It doesn't hurt anything to work with good people. I think that's very important If you're going into research area or you go in advanced research computing or something like that, you'll depend on other people to do major things.