When I received a Ph.D. degree in 1974, it was very hard to get jobs at research universities. There just wasn't that many available. So it was tough. But I got out. I had a interview with Central State in Oklahoma, but that was more just kind of a teaching job and I certainly wanted to go to a research university. I gave a talk at the University in Rhode Island, and met some people there from Clemson University and so I had a offer to apply for a position at Clemson, which looked pretty good. And so that's kind of where I thought I would probably end up. But then I got a call from, from Virginia Tech saying that they had a visiting position, a one year visiting position. They knew of me because I knew some of the people in the department, plus a friend of mine actually had accepted a position of Virginia Tech one year earlier. And then my friend John Burns said that they already received a, a offer from Virginia Tech here. So the point I'm trying to make is I think the fact that they knew me is what got my foot in the door. So I came out here with the one year offer, but in April of the year that I was out here, they that position actually turned into a tenure track, you know, teaching research position. And I applied for it and I got that. There was Ken Hannsgen was one member in the department I did not meet before I came here. But he did the same kind of integral equations that I did. He was extremely well known and kind of, a leader in the field. So I had a great situation, you know, coming in. You know, he was someone who was great to work with and give guidance to stuff like that. He helped me out a lot. Then plus John Burns coming here the same year I came here, the two of us worked for W.T. Reid, both from W.T. Reid. Our research interests were not that far apart, so I had him that I could also, you know, get public work, publications with and stuff like that. So, you know, it was very much, come here, be a good teacher and that was important to the Virginia Tech math department. And then also you know, research. You'll do research and be able to publish papers. So with that kind of support staff and stuff like that, I did real well, you know, the first six years, which is the first six years for tenure track kind of stuff. The year before I came up for tenure and promotion to associate professor was when we started ICAM, and we got this five million dollar applied math grant from DARPA. which is the largest ever given to an applied math place, and so. But we worked hard to do that, John, you mentioned that John Burns and Gene Cliff, and myself. John and I and many of the people that I've ever worked with, you know, we're people that we go out, we go to conferences, we're visible, we talk to people. You know, I think we're reasonable personalities and people come away with a good feeling kind of stuff. So I think it wasn't only our research and writing papers, but I think the fact that people who knew us thought, oh, those guys are okay. You know, they, they're good people.