The university really went through a time period where they were asking themselves, what are we going to do after we get through all this publicity of Virginia Tech, having built system ten. So they decided that they were going to increase the central high performance computing capabilities of Virginia Tech. Mike Williams had been in a similar position you know, as, I can't remember, if he was director of high performance computing or research computing, but they had a small IBM system and there had been some central, you know, computing before. But Erv Blythe was really the pusher of this. He was trying to say, you know, if you're going to be an honest, responsible research university, you better have research computing on campus and help out the faculty. And he and Charles Steger were pretty close. [laughs] Charles Steger listened to Erv. And Len Peters was the same way and uh. So, I think, you know, it was kind of out of this clear blue, you know, I was shocked, I didn't even know Erv Blythe, at this time and I get this call and said I'd like to take you to lunch. [laughs] I said fine [laughs]. So we went to lunch together and then Erv where he pointed out that they wanted me to head this up. You know, it was kind of surprising to me. I'm not a computer scientist, [laughs] you know, I don't know a whole lot about high performance computing and storage and all this kind of stuff. But I think it was probably due to you know,  I did do a good job with the Commission on Research and we got a lot done and stuff like that. I think they see some quality of being able to, kind of, do the head stuff to get a group of people to go help Virginia Tech. I think that's why they chose me.  What I did as soon as I took that position, I went around to the different departments, the different colleges that their people was using centralized computing, and I put together a proposal to give so much money and we go buy a new SGI machine, which is pretty powerful at that time. And it was received very, very well. I think Erv was just shocked [laughs] that all these people would contribute. Maybe like a two month period of time, I had enough money to go buy this thing, so we did that. And then there was always this question of what are we going to do with system ten? And so there was a lot of talk of making a advanced research computing kind of structure around system ten and it be used as a centralized computer and stuff like that. And that did happen, we kind of took ownership of that, maybe after three years or something like that, that came it out. We used it for a while. But the real thing is engineering, Aref was the dean of engineering at that time, they was 100% supportive of building a HPC center here.  Lay Nam was the one in arts and sciences. He was supportive of it. That Steger was supportive of it. They were all gung ho to go.